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Well i installed the RTM version last night, still only installed in it's 30 day evaluation period, very clean install, completely fresh drive, did the evaluation thing that told me everything was fine and i didn't need to get any extra drivers for anything.

Continued to format my C and D drives to make room for vista, it wanted 15gig minimum, i gave it 20gig.

unattended install is nice, and for the first time you have a mouse during install.

After install, i found no drivers for my soundcard or on board raid card and some unexplained PCI card (the only pci card i have is a lan card but it found that easy enough). Bit annoying as all my programs and kept files were stored on my raid drives.
Did a windows update before doing anything else and got a BSOD while updating. My computer hasn't blue screened in months if not years.
Rebooted, did the windows update again which installed all drivers except my raid card, then went to shut down the pc and it crashed and froze while shutting down. I heard the HDD stop, but the power was still going.

Not a good start.

My PC is:

Abit NF7S - v2
Athlon XP 3000+
768 mb ram (lent one stick of 256 to my media center)
Radeon 9700

Fairly basic but gets a base score of 3.6 out of 5 for vista (3.6 being the lowest score which was RAM)

Should probably add, vista looks very nice, runs quickly, install was half the time of XP, just need to get it stable now, then i can properly 'evaluate ;) it '
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Well, bit of a plum here.

It turns out, the standby symbol in the start menu isn't the power off button by default, but the sleep button. . . .how embarrassing!

Only crashed the once then, possibly because it didn't have all the drivers. Dunno.
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I will be installing on my laptop later tonight if I can get source down quick enough. Any tips?
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Not really, it's all pretty straight forward. Make sure you have your drivers on an accessible disk just in case.
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Post by Hammer »

Well I just read this article on Toms Hardware. I think I'll stay with XP for a while.

Conclusion: K.O. For Windows Vista?
Windows Vista clearly is not a great new performer when it comes to executing single applications at maximum speed. Although we only looked at the 32-bit version of Windows Vista Enterprise, we do not expect the 64-bit edition to be faster (at least not with 32-bit applications).

Overall, applications performed as expected, or executed slightly slower than under Windows XP. The synthetic benchmarks such as Everest, PCMark05 or Sandra 2007 show that differences are non-existent on a component level. We also found some programs that refused to work, and others that seem to cause problems at first but eventually ran properly. In any case, we recommend watching for Vista-related software upgrades from your software vendors.

There are some programs that showed deeply disappointing performance. Unreal Tournament 2004 and the professional graphics benchmarking suite SPECviewperf 9.03 suffered heavily from the lack of support for the OpenGL graphics library under Windows Vista. This is something we expected, and we clearly advise against replacing Windows XP with Windows Vista if you need to run professional graphics applications. Both ATI and Nvidia will offer OpenGL support in upcoming driver releases, but it remains to be seen if and how other graphics vendors or Microsoft may offer it.

We are disappointed that CPU-intensive applications such as video transcoding with XviD (DVD to XviD MPEG4) or the MainConcept H.264 Encoder performed 18% to nearly 24% slower in our standard benchmark scenarios. Both benchmarks finished much quicker under Windows XP. There aren't newer versions available, and we don't see immediate solutions to this issue.

There is good news as well: we did not find evidence that Windows Vista's new and fancy AeroGlass interface consumes more energy than Windows XP's 2D desktop. Although our measurements indicate a 1 W increase in power draw at the plug, this is too little of a difference to draw any conclusions. Obviously, the requirements for displaying all elements in 3D, rotating and moving them aren't enough to heat up graphics processors. This might also be a result of Windows Vista's more advanced implementation of ACPI 2.0 (and parts of 3.0), which allows the control of power of system components separately.

Our hopes that Vista might be able to speed up applications are gone. First tests with 64-bit editions result in numbers similar to our 32-bit results, and we believe it's safe to say that users looking for more raw performance will be disappointed with Vista. Vista is the better Windows, because it behaves better, because it looks better and because it feels better. But it cannot perform better than Windows XP. Is this a K.O. for Windows Vista in the enthusiast space?

If you really need your PC to finish huge encoding, transcoding or rendering workloads within a defined time frame, yes, it is. Don't do it; stay with XP. But as long as you don't need to finish workloads in record time, we believe it makes sense to consider these three bullet points:

Vista runs considerably more services and thus has to spend somewhat more resources on itself. Indexing, connectivity and usability don't come for free.
There is a lot of CPU performance available today! We've got really fast dual core processors, and even faster quad cores will hit the market by the middle of the year. Even though you will lose application performance by upgrading to Vista, today's hardware is much faster than yesterday's, and tomorrow's processors will clearly leap even further ahead.
No new Windows release has been able to offer more application performance than its predecessor.
Although application performance has had this drawback, the new Windows Vista performance features SuperFetch and ReadyDrive help to make Vista feel faster and smoother than Windows XP. Our next article will tell you how they work.

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Hmm, i'll be starting a fairly large private render job soon using Max.
Doesn't sound too promising.

Oh well, will see how well that runs, but at the moment i'm quite impressed
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Post by Trig »

Looks at fresh Vista install...

Looks at XP CD...


Ye bast, could of posted this yesterday mornin :lol:
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Just get it installed!

As soon as my new socket 939 motherboard turns up, i'll be installing the 64 bit version on my media center :)
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I ended up not installing it as I am getting really for the LAN this weekend and just reinstalled Xp then the LAN games quick O&O Defrag So the Laptop can play the damn games. Anyway After reading a few more reviews about all the protections against pirating films software and the OS I think that XP with the Vista toys will do for now. I was reading about how Vista in some cases will not allow you to watch new DVD bought from the shops because of the protection and things like that.:(
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XP Black?
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Post by ryanside »

im gonna stick with Xp for the time being, might even float over to linux before giving vista a try.

will wait for you guys to post what its like to live with it :)
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Post by Trig »

Just stickin XP Black on my machine now, will see how that goes..
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Yeah Trig Xp Black. Most of the Vista toys are on that without all the resources needed for Vista.
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Post by Trig »

Just installin it on my box now, how did u find it for useful stuff, not planning on installing any of the apps that come with it just the Vista look probably...
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Post by Hippy »

Why not at least do a dual install and see how you get on with vista?
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